Optimus Prime: Better than the Christian God

1199764975564Come forth all unbelievers of the blessed Possessor of the Matrix and heed the following lesson.  The lesson being that the grand Optimus Prime is much more worthy of worship than the Christian God.  You doubt this statement? Then read on and discover for yourself why this is so!

Optimus Prime does not demand worship

primeanswerThere are quite numerous instances in the Bible where God demands that people worship him, both in the Old and New Testaments.  When this does not occur in the manner he prescribes, the usual result is mass unpleasantness of one sort or another – global scale death, pestilences, threats of eternal damnation, etc.  Optimus Prime does not demand worship and does not care if you worship anyone or anything else; as long as you don’t cause grief for others, he’s fine with your choice.

Optimus Prime does not send anyone to eternal torture

As previously noted, the Christian God will allow you to be tortured for eternity if you do not believe in him – and not just that, you also have to believe in his son.  If you fail to live by his standards, even when they contradict each other, then you happen to be pretty much screwed.  God certainly has the ability to save every single person from hell at any instant it might take his fancy but he refuses to.  Optimus Prime does not hold with any sort of eternal damnation and, as noted, does not demand any one lives by arbitrary rules based on his own ego

Optimus Prime has better guidelines for living your life

1213162090377If you happen to look at how Optimus Prime lives his life and the teachings he shares with those around him, you can see this his ‘commandments‘ are better than those of the Christian God.  There is no requirement to worship Optimus Prime for starters nor is it mandatory to take a day off and basically waste an entire day (even in regard to leisure activities or household chorse).  Instead all Optimus guides us to is to be respectful to everyone else, use your intelligence in all things and do not waste your life.

Optimus Prime does not discriminate and believes in freedom

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings‘. Optimus Prime does not care if you are a homosexual, he does not care if you do not believe in him, he does not care if you eat the wrong things on certain days.  As long as your lifestyle choices do not harm or cause grief to other people, Optimus Prime is happy with however you choose to live your life.

Optimus Prime has a better track record in overcoming death

primelives2The Bible contains a story where an aspect of the Christian God overcomes death a grand total of once.  Optimus Prime has died and rise considerably more times than that. He died in Transformers: The Movie (1986) and returned in ‘Dark Awakening‘ only to sacrifice himself and then return in ‘The Return of Optimus Prime‘.  Optimus also dies in Transformers #24 (US, series 1) only to return in a new body in Transformers #42 (US, series 1). In Transformers #75 (US, series 1) Optimus Prime sacrifices himself to destroy Unicron (cosmic evil demi-god) and returns in Transformers #80 (US, series 1).   In Transformers: Generation 2 #12, Optimus Prime sacrifices his life so that an alien swarm might learn what peace is only to return in that same issue.   For more information (and more deaths/resurrections), see The many deaths of Optimus Prime.

Optimus Prime actively combats evil

primetriggerfingerThe Christian God does one of two things when it comes to combat.  He either lets others do his fighting for him (see the almost continual warfare carried out by his chosen people throughout the Old Testament) or he lets an aspect of himself walk around and talk alot – which does not exactly constitute combatting evil.  The first option is a cop-out, he could have gotten directly involved but chose not to – even letting his own people lose on occassion when they did not follow one silly rule (eg, hold this stick up in the air for no apparent reason) or another.  The second really achieved nothing at all and could even be considered a waste of time since much more productive courses of action were clearly available (Instead of being tempted by evil in the desert, how about destroying it with your supposedly omnipotent power? That would have saved everyone a whoooole lot of grief).    Optimus Prime, on the other hand, does not like combat and violence but realises that sometimes it is necessary to stop worse atrocities.  He is often seen personally leading his loyal followers into combat, letting the forces of evil know he means business through the liberal application of considerable firepower.

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41 responses to “Optimus Prime: Better than the Christian God

  1. Pingback: The Church of Optimus Prime « Matt’s Notepad

  2. Martijn

    Optimus is just a lame copycat, he just read the bible, that’s all…

  3. I would say that the Disciples heard about the wonder that is Optimus Prime and changed the details a bit to suit their own ends. Optimus Prime works in mysterious ways!

    I also note you didn’t refute any of the points made. Interesting!

  4. Martijn

    Why would I spend all my energon on this? I am not playing by your rules…

  5. Martijn

    ok, just to keep you busy. one question then….
    Who was there first?
    Optimus was drawn in the 80′s
    So, where do you think the creators of Optimus got their info… Hey? it might be from something like christianity/buhdism
    as I said, just copy paste..

  6. Going by your logic, Horus is more likely to be real than Jesus since he came along first. Where did they get the story of Jesus from? Oh … copy and paste from various other religious stories that came along first.

  7. Martijn

    Does horus still have a religion? After 8000 yrs of the stories and history of monotheism, it is still alive and kicking. Religion can only survive if there is something essential in it, if it rings true. If people thought it was a fraud, they would have left it for what it was. since that is not the case, try again.

  8. Religions comes and go, as seen throughout human history. The ancient egyptian pantheon worship, for example, last a few thousand years – which is longer than christianity has thus far.

    • Martijn

      Ancient Egyptian religion only lasted 3000 years. the total of (judaism)God is now up to 8000 years(and most likely even more), and that is only from the written form that we know of. The problem with history that we start to wrap some conclusions around things where we don’t have a broad source of information from. Most argumentation makes sense in a logical way, and that can be good to a certain point, but it is not a end to itself. It can only be that if you want it to, but that would mean that it is not openminded argumentation. You always have to stay open for new information and new insights.
      For example, God could have been there even before the first writings of the Tanakh. Just because we have no direct evidence of that doesn’t mean that it was not there. And still it is not essential to faith. at least, not to me. Faith is built on relation with the Creator/Father. That makes it relevant for me today, in the here and now. That is what motivates me to do my best in and for this world in every aspect of life.

      • Leet

        Hinduism’s been around way longer than Judaism. Don’t tell me you think Hinduism is a valid belief.

      • Bob

        “, God could have been there even before the first writings of the Tanakh. Just because we have no direct evidence of that doesn’t mean that it was not there”

        Logic –
        1. there is no direct evidence of X
        2. Therefore X is true!

        The entire Christian faith is based on faulty logic, second hand accounts of alleged miraculous events in which every subsequent telling of the same story becomes more and more outlandish! (see the 4 gospels accounts of the empty tomb) The authors claim as fact things which they could not possibly be justified in knowing (e.g. virgin birth).

        The entire problem with Christianity is the idea that faith is virtuous, that faith is necessary and sufficient for one to have knowledge.

  9. The first half tries to make an argument from longevity which really doesn’t get you far. Most of human history can be regarded as one of extreme ignorance and their beliefs were based on that ignorance, including religion.

    The second seems to be an appeal from personal experience which also doesn’t count as much of an argument.

    • Martijn

      The first half tries to make an argument from longevity which really doesn’t get you far.

      It get’s me far enough, and this is not a really good argument from you either.

      Most of human history can be regarded as one of extreme ignorance and their beliefs were based on that ignorance, including religion.

      I won’t dispute ignorance since it is you who is doing the same thing.
      Your lack of at least showing some respect and dignity does not help any of your argumentation either.

  10. An argument from longevity doesn’t get you anywhere, so it does you no good. It’s a debate fallacy for a very good reason.

    And how am I dealing in ignorance, exactly?

    And no, I will not show respect for a viewpoint that can not even generate a coherent argument to support it. Hence why I show no respect for such things as scientology.

    • Martijn

      “And how am I dealing in ignorance, exactly?”

      To think you are the only one on earth who has all the right answers if they can only be proven by science. Your failure and fallacy to not even think outside the (science)box is just an example, or to show no respect to those who do.

      Hence why I show no respect for such things as scientology.

      Even I don’t agree with the idea of scientology, but I do love the people as if they were my brother and sister. And in that I do hope that they might relate to God even in their own way of life or find a new way to do so.

  11. Martijn

    An argument from longevity doesn’t get you anywhere, so it does you no good. It’s a debate fallacy for a very good reason.

    goes both ways

  12. Your logic is extremely faulty. Let’s assume we go with your reasoning and things which aren’t demonstrated through evidence and/or test and/or predictions. That means that belief is any sort of mythological figure, deity, creature, legend, fictional being, etc is now 100% respectable and validated.
    Your belief in a god is now on an equal footing with someone’s belief that he’s Napoleon reincarnated or that he needs to wear a tin foil hat to stop aliens reading his mind.

    Evidence is extremely important because, to put it very bluntly and simply, it keeps the stupid at bay.

    Your second comment makes no sense since I’m not making any arguments from longevity, I’m actually doing the opposite.

  13. Martijn

    Matt, It doesn’t help to keep on attacking my reasoning since it’s only your logic. I do concur that reason is important, but is not an end to itself. I think logic can get you pretty far, but it still remains the position of subjectivity from the author and receiver no matter how tested the subject is. Your stand makes only sense within a certain community that abides with the rules that they make. So that group calls that reality, and to certain amount I will hardly disagree. The subject of the matter might be giving an outcome that can draw several conclusions, but it is the observer that makes the decision. And if you just create conditions and reasons without God in any given way, you will find it(wysiwyg). In that sense the words of your logic ring empty and dull.
    If you look at it with God, you will find it, even within and beyond the boundaries of science. For example the chemistry in your brain and body is just chemistry in a complex form. But the result is that you feel attraction, that you see beauty, that you have needs urges, that you (as sole being) decipher what is wrong and right. You can see it within only the boundaries of chemistry, and chaos, but the results that we can choose to love or to hate, to find fellowship or look for offense are there nonetheless. Your conclusions and identity are based on what you hope, what you know and what you think is right. But are you actually capable of doing that? Only if you feel the need to be more than you can be, only if you have a certain goal.
    If your goal is to deconstruct, which I think it assumes, than that leaves nothing more than emptiness and shallow use of bold words without any meaning.
    So, does scientific logic have an answer for a starving child? No! Only love, compassion and care have the capability to do that. That ultimate “reality” is in itself not of science nor of individual reason. The identity that I link to God and Christ and the knowing of being led by the Holy spirit fills my heart with compassion, makes me aware of the lack/selfishness in myself to become more and willing to change. The ability to do that and live like that In Him makes it so much more valuable. Which is not intent to boast but to stay humble.
    The whole essence of the bible is not about judgment and condemnation, it is about change to become fully alive and doing good. Becoming alive In freedom, in love, in community, in embracing, in enjoying. And I think you have missed that in the time that you were a brother in Christ.
    That in itself does have nothing to do with science, but it has everything to do with life and how you perceive it to be.

  14. Your last reply contained no arguments and only rambling that bordered on the incoherent. Certain passages such as “If you look at it with God, you will find it, even within and beyond the boundaries of science” denote a distinct lack of understanding of logic and scientific method – you can not try to prove the existence of something with the viewpoint that it already exists. That is a terrible, terrible way of investigating things and certainly not how science does things.

    The second half of your comment seems to be a strange mix of appeals from personal experience and incredulity, neither of which stand up as any sort of argument. It does not matter if belief in god makes you feel good; fuzzy warm feelings do not validate the claim of god’s existence. People have received such feelings from all manner of deities, beliefs and even types of food throughout history.

  15. Martijn

    you said: “…denote a distinct lack of understanding of logic and scientific method – you can not try to prove the existence of something with the viewpoint that it already exists. That is a terrible, terrible way of investigating things and certainly not how science does things.”

    It is not a terrible way, it is just not your way. I don’t think that science on itself should be in any way directly influenced by faith. but the conclusions that come with it may be still another answer. As I said several times before, I don’t follow your rules of logic. Since they are just ONE way of perceiving life.
    Even so science does still support in many ways my view of life and my faith. And still since you don’t believe in God does not make it an immediate truth. that’s just the chemicals in your brain messing with ya. (joke)

    you said: “It does not matter if belief in god makes you feel good; fuzzy warm feelings do not validate the claim of god’s existence. People have received such feelings from all manner of deities, beliefs and even types of food throughout history.”

    Ah, so you now claim to say that throughout the world and throughout history people are having experience of higher beings… Interesting. Funny that billions of people believe in “God” in some sort of way. But they are all wrong and dumb because Matt and his so called supreme logic know best. Continue mister spok…

    I just don’t see you make this a better world with your logic… At least try to convince me otherwise in a case that does make sense.

    You know what Matt. I must confess it has been interesting to have been arguing with you but I guess we’ll just have to see what really did matter in the end. Chasing tails..
    I will let you be in peace. I have no more interest in your talk. not because I feel victorious or defeated in any way. I’m just not going to go what you think is the right and only way. IF your logic sets you free then so be it. Be content with what you know and stop rubbing it into other peoples faces because that makes you just like the evangelical fundies. Which in that case you do have something in common with them.

  16. It is not a terrible way, it is just not your way.

    Of course it’s a terrible way. Creationist (and yours apparently) thinking is to start off with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it – which is insanely silly and counter-productive. It leads to all manner of mistaken findings since you can attributes evidence to pretty much anything you want to when you work with such a bizarre method.

    Ah, so you now claim to say that throughout the world and throughout history people are having experience of higher beings… Interesting. Funny that billions of people believe in “God” in some sort of way.

    It’s not strange at all. Throughout history, people have been remarkably ignorant of how the universe worked and thus had to make up stories and reasons why it did what it did (classic god of the gaps stuff). The ancient egyptians, for example, had no idea why the sun moved through the sky so made up a story that it was Ra and his firey chariot.

  17. chibiten

    Just 3 things:
    1. I agree.
    2. Optimus is my God.
    3. You rock dude.

  18. MT

    It scares me that there are people like martijn still around in this day and age. And it scares me that people (ie matt) who have a healthy skepticism, reliance on fact, and a respectful tolerance to their intellectual inferiors are being treated with such condescension. Especially when it’s painfully obvious that pseudo-religious nuts cannot argue any points rationally, but rather rely on personal feelings, attributing fate to blind chance, and shamelessly attributing an individuals moral integrity as divine intervention and not free will.
    Lemme spell it out for you, Jesus Junkie. Your personal ‘make beliefs’ are just that. Personal. But it’s funny how often they’re aired in public. Any mix of pseudo-spirituality, asinine examples of proof, and smug dismissals like ‘oh, that’s just your opinion’ that you put forward as arguments are not going to be always treated by us heathens worshiping a metallic god with as much patience as matt did. And using a website to passive aggressively celerbrate your spiritual superiority as a final answer to us all, well, Hitler had a final answer too, eh? Shame on you for destroying the brief pleasure I felt reading the comparison of a giant battle robot to a religious figure. Especially when, if you think about it, a robot messiah arriving intergalactically is more plausible than christ ‘returning.’
    If there are religious types out there who disagree, I don’t want your arguments. I want your silence.

  19. Just a point to Martijn if he ever reads, why would you need something higher than you to love others? Isn’t that something that should be done without a divine guidance? / Respectfully from a loving Atheist

  20. Travis

    I’m not going to waste my intellectual energon (a la Transformers) on imbeciles like Martijn. Let me just say that the vast majority of particle physicists furthering the study of quantum mechanics ascribe to Buddhist and Hundu doctrines and dogmatic practices if they ascribe to anything at all. These are arguably the smartest individuals that humankind have to offer in a field that does nothing less than describe and decode reality. So for an individual like Martijn to denigrate belief systems such as Hinduism as a likely result of his lack of exposure and understanding to their principles and teachings is laughable.

  21. ...Reload...

    Martijn…. your such a Fucking Weak mind.. Fuck u and ure fucking religion 4 WEAK MINDS

  22. Sgt one ear

    It shames me to see a fellow brother in crist such as martijn to bash other religons in the hopes of one side giving up. And it scares me to see the people of the world thinking that a fictional character created during the 80′s has any religous value whatsoever….. Thats just my saying….. So in conclusion, martijn, shame for having to defend yourself in such a barbaric manner, and matt….. Why do you feel the need to defend optimus prime’s “role” as more than just a fictional character?

    • Sgt one ear

      It shames me to see a fellow brother in crist such as martijn to bash other religons in the hopes of one side giving up. And it scares me to see the people of the world thinking that a fictional character created during the 80′s has any religous value whatsoever.

      I take this back after reading through your posts. You both put up a vaid argument. I commend you both for putting up such intuitive information, but i personally agree with martijn, as he is my brother in christ, and sees life the way i do.matt, i prsonally dont agree with your agressive lunges towards the opposite party only because by doung this, you lose a great deal of credibility. That is all i have to say

  23. Joost

    ‘TILL ALL ARE ONE!

  24. patricia

    Dear mr optimus, my name is patricia, after the scandal of pedophilie catholic priests, cardinals and bishops including pedophillies in protestant churches. I became complete ex christian. I had abandoned my christian faith. I understand that you dont ask me to be ex christian but it is very diffcult for me to get myself back to christain God or christainity itself. I had lost all my confidence in christian God and christianity. It is too late now. I dont understand why a heavenly God to allow such evil to be at work in christianity. I had learnt a lot about all the sins and mistakes of christians and of christianity. Christians are not perfect people and they had made many mistakes on the subject of God or the bible.Also christians are worshipping to the idols for exemple the wooden cross, stone statues of mary, the pope e.t.c. Even worship is idolatery too. Christainity especially the catholic church even to be able to show me that christian God is a pedophilie. I have no confidence in christian God. Iam not a die hard anti catholic or anti christian exteremist. But it is very complicated, it all depends on the way christains treats me for thier religion, it is thier responsibility.Even althrough i still speak against them especially those particular christian fools.If the devil or evil spirit is at work in christianity, this could mean that the evil is very powerful, and the evil to take over us. Optimus, I undertand that you want to fight against the evil. Pedophilie catholic priests had made their own lives like hell for themselves to their own destruction. Optimus your speeches can change my heart, whatever i accept it or not. I shall put your words in my heart. It is possible that i believe in you even althrough that christians tries to prove that Optimus prime does not exist. Iam not frightened of death and if my religion is false but i dont think that i deserve to go to hell. And I dont want false prophets to go to hell. every religions in the world are searching for the truth.Unfortunatly the evil still to take control over us. patricia

  25. patricia

    Optimus, I am very angry about pedophilies in the catholic church and the rest of christanity. Pedophilie is the example of the evil. patricia

    • patricia

      I assume mr Optimus would say to me “Oh what a great grief about Christianity,patricia. But you must respect them and their religion and it is none of their business.”

  26. patricia

    Many people rejected Optimus Prime just because it is ridiculous for them anyway. In spite of thier prejudices against transformers or against Optimus. When I have faith in Optimus. Optimus don’t ask me to read comics,books, films about transformers, just because it is doesn’t matter. Optimus don’t care whatever I study transfomers or not. Althrough Iam not happy with michael Bay’s transformers and so on. But I have my faith in Optimus and Iam very strict with choosing what to believe about Optimus. It seemed to be that the Christian God is really unsuitable for me. Normally I do not seek what is the way and what is the answer, even there are many temptations around me. Optimus even choose those who rejects Optimus. Optimus had helped me a lot to be able to see things differently. But I dont know what I should say to Optimus and sometimes Iam in silence.

  27. patricia

    Note: my spellings are incorrect from certain descriptions on the subject of the catholic church.It should be written “pedophile catholic priests” not “pedophilie catholic priests”.

  28. patricia

    Dear Optimus I want to tell you about the mistakes of christians including the mistakes of catholics. It is written in the bible that christian God do not want me to be a christian for example “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other,or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.You cannot serve both God and money.” matthew 6:24 NIV bible. That means you cannot serve God and the Christian Church……The Christian Church is nothing but a man made Idol which is put beside God.So then which one is better God or Christian Church??? GOD had TOLD me that christianity including the catholic church is not important.The wooden cross is not jesus christ, The wooden cross is nothing but a worthless wooden Idol. ” No one stops to think,no one has the knowledge or understanding to say, ” Half of it I used for fuel; I even baked bread over its coals, I roasted meat and I ate. Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left? Shall I bow down to a block of wood?” Isaiah 44:19 NIV Bible. That means shall I bow down to a wooden cross (block of wood)? And Who says that the Traditional Christianity especially the Catholic Church is better than the Modern World or Modern Science? But the Bible says “Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions. Ecclesiastes 7:10 NIV Bible.

  29. patricia

    Dear Optimus, Christian God demanded me to worship to Christian God and to believe in his son, Jesus Christ. But Christian God does not demand me to go to the Christian Church. Christian God don’t ask me to be a Christian, because Christians are worshipping to the Idols such as the Cross, statues of mary and even the pope.So then Christian God demanded me to worship to Christian God anyway…… I do not want to worship to Christian God because Iam fed up with to believe without understanding, Iam fed up with the way of Christianity and Iam fed up with pedophile catholic priests and pope Benedict.

  30. patricia

    Optimus, I pray to you , and I pray for those around me. I pray for christians and catholics. You are my God , I will listen to you.

  31. amd

    Here is another point, Optimus does not shy from peace, even making a friend of his old nemesis Megatron. They fought and nearly died together against the swarm. And before, with Lord Zarak against Unicron. Prime managed to unite a race that warred for longer than our race has existed. That, is a true feat. He did not unite them by war, nor by force, but by words.

  32. patricia

    I like Bender in futurama, it is very funny!

  33. MKSTEEL

    To use Sounwave ‘s inflection, Prime SUPERIOR, Jesus inferior!

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